December 6th, 2009 Adventures with Sourdough-Rye Bread
BarBBQ Bill decided he wanted rye bread. He was making borscht (beet soup) and a fresh loaf of rye bread to go with it just seemed the right thing to do.
He didn’t want just any old rye bread. He wanted sourdough rye.
I’m gonna take a whack at it (even though I have no clue how this is going to turn out).
First, I need a rye starter (I think?), so I took about 1/4 cup of my regular starter and added 1-1/4 cups of lukewarm water and 2 cups of rye flour to it. Mixed it well and let it sit, covered, at room temperature overnight.
The next morning, I discarded half and added 1/2 cup of water and 1 cup of rye flour. Let that sit for about 4 hours. I again discarded half and decided that the remaining starter looked a bit thicker than I thought it should (remember I have no idea what I’m doing), so I added 3/4 cup water and 1 cup of all purpose flour instead of rye flour. After a couple of hours, that was bubbling nicely and smelled nice and sour.
Now I need a recipe. We wanted a dense, sour “peasant” type bread, so I found three or four different recipes and sort of did the “pick and choose ingredients” thing…and came up finally with this:
Peasant Rye Bread
1 cup rye sourdough starter, at room temperature
1 1/2 cups rye flour
1 cup warm water
1/4 cup warm water
1 packet (2-1/4 teaspoons) active dry yeast
1 cup whole wheat flour (I used white whole wheat)
1 3/4 cups all-purpose flour
4 teaspoons KAF rye bread improver (optional – I happened to have some, so I threw it in there)
1 teaspoon salt
2 teaspoons sugar
2 1/2 tablespoons caraway seeds
Combine starter, rye flour, and one cup of the water in a large bowl and mix well. Let stand about 1/2 hour (or longer for an extra-sour rye flavor, but I thought mine smelled about the way I wanted it).
Combine yeast and 1/4 cup warm water in small bowl. Let stand about 5 minutes until foamy. Add to sourdough mixture.
Add the flours, salt, sugar and caraway seeds. Mix until the dough starts to come together. I mixed by hand, but you can use a bread machine or a stand mixer for this. Knead 10 minutes until the dough is smooth (I added about 1/4 cup of AP flour while kneading – the dough remained a little bit sticky, but not unworkable).
Put the dough into a greased bowl (I used butter), cover and let rise about 1 hour in a warm place until doubled.
Punch down dough and knead slightly to get the dough nice and smooth. Shape into a round loaf and place on a baking stone, a parchment-lined sheet or a greased baking sheet. Cover loaf lightly and allow to rise until almost doubled (mine took about 40 minutes). Preheat the oven to 425°F.
Slash the top of loaf and spray with water. Bake at 425° (my oven is convection, so I started at 400°) for 9 minutes. Spray the loaf with water after 3 minutes, again after 6 minutes, and once more at 9 minutes.
Reduce the oven temperature to 400° (convection – 350°) and bake another 20-25 minutes until loaf is browned and sounds hollow when tapped on the bottom. I turned off the oven and let the bread remain for another 10 minutes (it wasn’t quite done on the inside, but the top was browned enough). Cool on a rack.
It came out looking pretty good for my first experiment. Now how did it taste?
It tasted great. It didn’t spread much sideways, which I liked (I tried one of those “no-knead 5 minute a day” rye bread recipes, and everyone agreed they looked like cowpats – sort of a puddle of dough about an inch tall).
In retrospect, I would have let it rise more the second time, as it is so dense (which is the way we wanted it) I didn’t get much “oven spring”. It came out of the oven pretty much the same size as it went in, so I think next time I’ll let it rise about an hour, or until it’s as big as I want the finished loaf. It needs more caraway seeds too, but I only had about 2 tablespoons to add (if that).
I baked it at too high a temperature for the first nine minutes (crust got too brown too quick), so I’m going to cut it down to 375° or until I figure out the peculiarities of my particular oven (and get a good oven thermometer for testing). Overall it came out great for my first attempt.
He never did finish making the soup last night, the bread is almost gone, so I’ll probably get to try this again today
Thanks to Mama Bear at Gotta Little Space for including us in this week’s Make It From Scratch! Blog Carnival.







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Add 1/4 cup lukewarm water to the jar containing the starter, and stir it around to help get the starter out. Then scrape out the starter with the water into a bowl (use glass or ceramic – not metal).
Mix it up well and loosely cover the bowl (I use my trusty free-from-a-hotel shower cap). Put it out on the counter for about 8 – 12 hours.
It’ll get all nice and bubbly. Now it’s time to feed it again (and yes, I had to hear BarBBQ Bill’s
Stir the starter and throw half of it away. Yes, you throw half of it away. I know. But do it anyway (I lessen the guilt slightly by putting it in the compost bucket).
Now the starter is ready to use and we’re finally ready to bake some bread. It’s not really sour yet – that comes with time, but it has a nice clean “sorta sour” smell.
Homemade suet, that is. Another “Found in the Freezer” recipe – while organizing it, I discovered a bag of venison fat from last year.
I used some small loaf pans. Put it in the freezer to chill until very firm.
When it’s nice and hard, turn it out of the pan onto a cutting surface.
Cut the suet into cakes. These are about 4″ square.
To put it out for the birds, we just used a scrap of hardware cloth bent in half and fashioned a hook from an old wire coat hanger.
And these folks stopped by to wish everybody a Happy Thanksgiving.
Cranberries freeze really well, and these – even being a year old – look perfect. I dumped my bags of frozen cranberries into a colander and picked through them. Rinsed well and drained.
Next, I added the chopped apples. The orange juice and vinegar will keep them from browning while I’m chopping the onions.
Next, the onions.
Dump in the celery and drained cranberries.
Add the sugar (I decided to use 1 cup of brown sugar and 1 cup of white sugar – just a last minute change for taste thing) and the spices. I found a piece of frozen ginger in the freezer so I used some grated fresh ginger instead of dried powdered ginger.
Mix the chutney and bring to a boil.
The liquid is starting to boil and the cranberries are starting to “pop”. I’m going to lower the temperature a bit and keep the chutney at a “gentle boil” until it thickens. Stir gently but often to keep the chutney from scorching.
Here we are after about 15 minutes. It’s reduced about two inches and it’s getting thicker. I’ve taken a small taste to check the seasonings. Tastes great so far. I’ll nurse the flame down to keep the chutney at a gentle boil and, as it reduces, I have to be careful it doesn’t scorch.
heat the lids in a small pan of water. The lids should not be boiled – just heated to about 180° to soften that reddish band of silicone to provide a better seal. Usually when I start to see the bubbles on the lids, they’re hot enough and I turn off the heat. Note the water is not boiling. Check the canner. Yep, it’s just starting to boil.
After 30 minutes, the chutney looks just about ready. The fruit has softened, the liquid has reduced about another inch, it’s nice and thick and it’s smelling really good.
Process the chutney for 10 minutes keeping the water at a gentle rolling boil. When the timer goes off, turn off the heat and remove the canner lid. Let the jars sit in the water for another 5 minutes. Using a jar lifter, place the hot jars on a nice thick towel and let cool. I’ll let them sit, undisturbed, until tomorrow morning. Then I’ll check the seals, remove the rings (store for next time), rinse off the jars with warm water, and they’re ready for labels and gift giving.
Cook’s treat. Cranberry chutney on a piece of cheddar cheese. Wow – it’s kinda tart and kinda sweet and kinda spicy all at the same time. Bring on those turkey sandwiches!